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Old 12-09-2020, 05:20 PM   #1
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Question CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream


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The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/futu...centos-stream/

So, does it mean CentOS will not be the clone of the RHEL but a "future" version of RHEL (much like Fedora)?

What about stability and compatibility with RHEL?
 
Old 12-09-2020, 06:15 PM   #2
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How about you read the FAQ referenced in the blog first ?.
 
Old 12-09-2020, 06:54 PM   #3
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So, does it mean CentOS will not be the clone of the RHEL but a "future" version of RHEL
Yes.
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(much like Fedora)?
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Q15: How does CentOS Stream differ from Fedora ELN?

A: CentOS Stream is focused on the next RHEL minor release. This means we are improving and influencing the shipping releases of RHEL. Fedora ELN is a testing area for changes that may occur in the next major release of RHEL.
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What about stability?
From the same FAQ:
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Our goal is to have a distribution which is influenced more by the community, but to retain the strong focus on security, stability, and a clear developer workflow.
Caveat: This is how I understand the blog post. I might be wrong. To be honest, I don't quite understand the background of this move, except that Red Hat might be fed up having a free-as-in-beer competitor with identical features.
 
Old 12-10-2020, 07:04 AM   #4
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I see it more like this..

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Originally Posted by IlyaK View Post
https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/futu...centos-stream/
So, does it mean CentOS will not be the clone of the RHEL but a "future" version of RHEL?
Yes!

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Originally Posted by IlyaK View Post
(much like Fedora)?
Yes!

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Originally Posted by IlyaK View Post
What about stability?
Oh... screw it! Lets just focus on commercial RHEL and kill the "Community ENTerprise Operating System"..

Edit:
CentOS EOL now loks like this:
8 Released-> September 24, 2019 EOL-> December 31, 2021
7 Released-> July 7, 2014 EOL-> June 30, 2024

What a kick in the gut...
my thoughts go to all the sysadmins who jumped into CentOS 8.

Last edited by Virneto; 12-10-2020 at 07:37 AM. Reason: More detailed post
 
Old 12-10-2020, 07:43 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by CentOS Stream FAQ
Q5: Does this mean that CentOS Stream is the RHEL BETA test platform now?

A: No. CentOS Stream will be getting fixes and features ahead of RHEL. Generally speaking we expect CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features as it moves forward in time but always giving direct indication of what is going into a RHEL release
In other words: "Is CentOS Stream the beta for RHEL? No. CentOS Stream is the beta for RHEL."

:/


I hadn't noticed RedHat had control of the CentOS project (apparently happened in 2014), and that includes owning the CentOS trademark - so any community effort to reverse/ignore this change will have to be branded differently.

 
Old 12-10-2020, 08:11 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Virneto View Post
CentOS EOL now loks like this:
8 Released-> September 24, 2019 EOL-> December 31, 2021
7 Released-> July 7, 2014 EOL-> June 30, 2024

What a kick in the gut...
my thoughts go to all the sysadmins who jumped into CentOS 8.
Indeed - another example of why eager upgrading isn't always a good idea.


For anyone wanting to jump ship from CentOS 8, there's another thread discussing alternatives:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/the-centos-problem-4175686575

 
Old 12-10-2020, 01:47 PM   #7
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I always thought CentOS was completely independent of RHEL... I'm a sad panda...
 
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Old 12-11-2020, 04:50 PM   #8
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In other words: "Is CentOS Stream the beta for RHEL? No. CentOS Stream is the beta for RHEL."

:/


I hadn't noticed RedHat had control of the CentOS project (apparently happened in 2014), and that includes owning the CentOS trademark - so any community effort to reverse/ignore this change will have to be branded differently.
I saw that, that is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a FAQ. I had to read it twice thinking I miss-read it first. Looks like someone from the old USSR came up with that answer
 
Old 12-21-2020, 04:12 PM   #9
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I wrote a blog entry about that and well, yes, it means that in the near future CentOS is not useable for (pre)production or testing things before they go to production. CentOS-Stream is even worse than Fedora for that task.
 
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