The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by Tinkster ..most of them are targeted against Islam.

Assuming "Dargineez" to be me: I've pretty much kept my opinions to myself, only sounding the call of alarm in threads where it is - or has become - appropriate. Since most threads to which I post have no political or religious dimension, I think it would be slightly unfair to categorize "most of them" as being "targeted against Islam."

For the record, I do believe it is possible for the world's people to live together in peace. What I wouldn't give for a world where the tremendous resources being wasted on war could be put to better use. My own pet project would be the exploration of space, but I'm sure there are other worthy endeavors.

Leave Dragineez alone on that one. I am assuming full responsability for starting the 'attack' on islam, however I have no regrets!

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>> "No, I didn't mean it that way. There's no 'excuse' for things like that...it may be the result of extreme desperation.

I wasn't even talking about such people. Are all the people being killed in places like Iraq suicide bombers?"

i did said lets be practical a bit and lets build a true and an effective wall across now ... time is ticking away and mankind still keeps on showing stupid , unnessary and destructive instincts of survival ... let us handle it , its quite easy and actually quite "effortless" ... i dont understand why is it that hard and why it took so long like it is an unsolvable very important human , cultural , economical and whatever whatever issues that need to be solved(somehow though ... dont ask me why) every time again and again ...

>> "I am wondering whether this is linux forum or religious discussion forum."

religious beliefs and practices should be a way of life ... linux can be but part of it among other ... nowadays as mankind has "advance"(sort of) much enough and we should go for the next step right infront and there shouldnt be any clashing and repelling "repulsive forces" anymore ...



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Cute, this started out as a discussion of religion, now it's taking a political bend.

Historically Accurate version: Because of fervent anti-semitic bigotry, they refused to live with their Jewish neighbors.

Hmm, so this one people moves into the territory of another one and you expect them to get nicely along. Is that realistic? That would be the same as setting the gates of the USA or the EU open to any immigrant who feels like taking his chance. I don't see that happen, do you? I think that your recurring references to Paris make it all too clear what it often leads to.

The 9/11 terrorists were all college educated, affluent, and primarily from Saudi Arabia - where they are certainly not subject to religious persecution.

Is that surprising? Consider the revolutionaries in European and American history: most if not all of them were middle class. The rich are usually too rich to redress social injustices and the poor are, well, too poor to stand up for themselves. While none of their acts are acceptable, a bit of historical realism should show that under certain conditions people simply stop caring about what is acceptable or not.

Hmm, so this one people moves into the territory of another one and you expect them to get nicely along. Is that realistic?

And to who's territory they moved: Turkish or British Empire? Were there a country before they have conquered? Hmmm... this land belongs to great arab caliphate - is the only claim Muslims could assert. But this as good as: it belongs to ancient jewish kingdom. Make your pick.

While none of their acts are acceptable, a bit of historical realism should show that under certain conditions people simply stop caring about what is acceptable or not.

Really? people stop caring about what is acceptable? First words come to mind barbarism and savagery. Or maybe blind religious fanaticism?

Originally Posted by jay73 Cute, this started out as a discussion of religion, now it's taking a political bend.

And there was me thinking it's all about human stupidity, and a
general lack of compassion - but I'm repeating myself. :)



Cheers,
Tink

Originally Posted by jay73 Cute, this started out as a discussion of religion, now it's taking a political bend.

Once every couple of years a thread like this will spring up on LQ, and the mods let it run its course.

I remember one a while back on a similar topic. I was particularly taken with the input from an Egyptian contributor to that thread. Extremely eloquent, he put forward very thoughtful and meaningful posts. I didn't always agree with him, but you couldn't help but like the guy.

I remember reading one of his posts where he mentioned, almost casually, that if it were ever found out that he was writing such things in an English language forum his life might well be in danger. Sad, so sad. This is someone that I'm sure I could get along with, that I'm sure we could respectfully agree to disagree. Why must he fear for his life? It's just wrong.

Religion is like politics. Both are based on a belief's in how one should live their life, how they impact others lives or control them even. It's a game for some to persuade the other who's right or wrong. The only difference is, religion should be personal, politics are not so personal and the two should never be mixed together in my opinion. But discussions like these always start to evolve. If it's religion, people can't help to bring in politics, if it's politics, somehow religion is brought up.

WITCH, all the way...

each religion has its own ideas, developed by the people within it...
all religions are there for people to believe in themselves, and to help set a standard of morals...
To regard one religion better than another is quite normal for humans but to state that one religion is wrong compared to another is very wrong in itself, as each religion is for each individual..
I have yet to see how anyone can claim that another is wrong when all religions are manmade so in essence all religions are wrong and right...
Why cant we all discuss religion but not judge anothers religion...

now onto politics, i shall just say my quote and leave that as that..

"polititions are like water, after several years its time to change the water in the tank and remove the corrupt, stagnant politions.....alas politions are generally lawyers, so you know when they are lying, there lips are moving"

Originally Posted by Tinkster And while we're complaining... Take that colourful "signature" out of your posts (yes, your old posts, too), and put them in your official signature which is part of the profile.

Thanks for the tip.

Care to examine how "Palestinian refugees" came to be? I mean, from non-Islamic sources.

I think I said in my first post in this thread that I was not a religious person.

The other points made in some responses to my last post are too obviously silly to need refutation.

I think I have touched a raw nerve.

Perhaps we should be getting back to the original topic.

>> "Why must he fear for his life?"

probably he thinks that his people still cant handle it as they might have got the his point wrong or totally up-side down ... hmm , seems to me a characteristic of a leader ... heck , maybe he can be a politician ...

>> "The only difference is, religion should be personal, politics are not so personal and the two should never be mixed together in my opinion."

thats a bit out-dated now and also ... its actually not easy as many human seems to have appendix with a size of a human brain ...



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Originally Posted by alred ... its actually not easy as many human seems to have appendix the size of a human brain ...

Don't you mean a brain the size of a human appendix?

Originally Posted by brianL Don't you mean a brain the size of a human appendix?

Maybe he's using an automated translation service? I hardly
ever get his posts :}

Of course he could mean that an appendix that size would cause
grieve abdominal pain, which might make people cranky.



Cheers,
Tink

Actually, what's the difference between a firm believer and a theist?