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Old 03-08-2024, 12:11 AM   #91
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On everything other than budget they tried to blow off Bernie Sanders for decades, but he had the most consistent policies, goals, and support among voters. They cannot afford to keep making those kinds of errors, and WE cannot afford that either!
There I agree with you. Sanders is a populist too, a left-wing one, and I think none the worse of him for that. The common perception that populists are always right-wing "nasties" is certainly not true. We have and have had plenty of left wing populist parties in Europe and they were doing very well in the polls around that time.

I remember thinking in 2016 that Sanders could well have beaten Trump because he appealed to the same constituency, the same sense of anger and betrayal. But the Democratic party machine squashed him and they paid the price for that.

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For example, Mr. Trump's treatment of Dr. Fauci, (an established Doctor with decades of experience in immunology, whose only mistake was speaking truth to power) is the perfect example of behaviour that should not be tolerated in any decent society.
Fauci's hands are not exactly clean either. He and other Western virologists were eager to sub-contract work to the Wuhan virology lab because they were cheaper than any Western university. And now we know why! They were cutting corners on biosecurity. It was a cock-up, not a conspiracy, that unleashed covid on the world, but there was then (understandably) a conspiracy by Fauci and others to hush it up. Don't you remember how any suggestion that covid had come out of that laboratory was censored during the pandemic? And yet now most people accept that that is probably what happened. Even the WHO, who were very much in China's pocket at the time, changed their minds after they visited China and were locked up in a theatre for three days to watch propaganda films and never allowed to set foot in the laboratory itself.

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Old 03-08-2024, 05:52 AM   #92
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Those talking about "populism" are those who want people to elect a regime according to the chosen narrative, rather than electing the leader/party they want to see in power themselves. These new buzz words should be treated with suspicion and caution.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 08:32 AM   #93
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The only thing that comes to my mind right now is: "... and then, they came for me."

The Government (sic ...) is ramping-up efforts to arrest more people who dared to protest on January 6th. Some of those people have now been held in prison for three years without a trial, and The Government (sic ...) might manage to scoop up more than 4,000 people before the statute of limitations kicks in. ("Better hurry.")

Last night, a "Gold Star parent" shouted back at The Puppet – and now faces a hefty fine and maybe 90 days in a DC jail. So much for "petition the Government for the redress of grievances!" Clearly, dissent is not tolerated by The Regime. Your son's "ultimate" sacrifice, also, means squat.

Maybe you are content to live in a nation like this. I am not. I want to continue to pretend that the nation which I grew up being taught about, somehow, "still exists." No. I want it back.

Remember: throughout the beginnings of WW2, there were plenty of "Good Germans." Likewise, there were Jews in the city of Warsaw who were, indeed, "fine, upstanding citizens."

Face it: you might like to pretend that "your self-image of yourself" will somehow carry the day, but history books very plainly tell that it does not. Those "very nice people" who devote so much time and energy towards teaching you to say what they say ... actually don't give a tinker's dam about you. They've got their 'power,' and they've got their 'money,' and they are also clinging to the illusion that they will somehow make it out of this whole thing alive.

But, if you've noticed, "history books" do not feature: survivors. For example, "the American Civil War" consumed (and, recorded) more than 600,000 individuals who today are nothing more than a number on a government ledger. Kindly bear in mind that you, along with 100% of your to-you-precious hopes and dreams, could also soon become: "++".

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Old 03-08-2024, 09:19 AM   #94
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Do you think that people should not be punished for breaking the law?

Those sentenced on 6 Jan were mostly I believe for illegally entering, willful destruction of property, illegally carrying weapons and assault.

It is a misdemeanor for the public to illegally demonstrate or disrupt a session of Congress.

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Likewise, there were Jews in the city of Warsaw who were, indeed, "fine, upstanding citizens."
Your equating the Nazi evasion of Poland who subjected Jews to forced labor, to live in ghettos and finally murder to what? I find this offensive.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 09:35 AM   #95
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Some of those people have now been held in prison for three years without a trial, and The Government (sic ...) might manage to scoop up more than 4,000 people before the statute of limitations kicks in. ("Better hurry.")
Hello again, sundialsvcs. Could you please cite a source for the above statistic? So far I can't find any corroborating evidence.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 09:43 AM   #96
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Those talking about "populism" are those who want people to elect a regime according to the chosen narrative, rather than electing the leader/party they want to see in power themselves. These new buzz words should be treated with suspicion and caution.
Can you rephrase/clarify that first sentence?

 
Old 03-08-2024, 10:09 AM   #97
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...if the idea of "make [your_nation] great again" has been consigned to being nothing more than "an acronym on a red hat," the rest of the nations on this planet are surely already laughing at us.
I reject the entire "Make America Great Again" movement because #1 I assumes that the USA (what they mean when they say the name of the continent) is NOT great when it CLEARLY is great. #2 Presumes that it is not great now, but was better at some time in the past (it is clearly, by the facts and evidence, better now than it has ever been in the past), and #3 that there is some value in reversing time to reach some previous state and that this is both desirable and possible (it is clearly not). From the actions and words of those who support the movement, it appears really a desire to reverse certain trends, including the 19th amendment (women's suffrage) as well as the 14th and 15th amendments and resume a mythical condition in which only white men who own land have any rights.

Some seem to fail to understand why any old white guy might object, but this old white guy absolutely does!

As for laughing at us, we used the music of an old European beer drinking song for our national anthem. We have been getting laughs since Benjamin Franklin showed them how to party before the US was a nation!
 
Old 03-08-2024, 10:31 AM   #98
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He and other Western virologists were eager to sub-contract work to the Wuhan virology lab because they were cheaper than any Western university. And now we know why! They were cutting corners on biosecurity.
There is no evidence that there were corners cut on biosecurity at those labs, and they were MILES form where the first cases appeared leading investigators to believe that the lab area was NOT source of the the original contamination. Case 0 for SARS-2 is likely to have been the same as for SARS-1, the open air meat markets.

Those labs are cheaper because #1 the government there subsidizes them to pull over western science (and it works), #2 they pay their scientists a lot less. The US government spent time and dollars helping them build up their infrastructure, technology, and economy under the assumption that it would drive them to move form an aggressive and oppressive communist oligarchy to a more democratic and friendly society. We ENCOURAGED moving technology, research, and production migration to China for that reason. So far, that has really not worked out as planned and recent governments have started to pull back those resources. (Never more than the current administration!) Building and supporting China may have been an error, but for political and economic reasons. There is no evidence it has anything to do with any pandemic. In fact, it is the parts of Chinese society and culture that have NOT changed that appear problematic in a medical sense.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 10:34 AM   #99
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There is no such thing as total immunity.

The Supreme Court will carve out what is and is not protected by immunity.

Lets say the POTUS murders 10 people 9 hrs from his countdown to zero. You don't get immunity for that.

Finding docs in a "well protected" place 3mo after POTUS leaves office, highly likely carries immunity due to the nature of how they can take docs, that whole process is a boondoggle or sorts.

Finding docs in a "not so well protected" place 3mo after V-POTUS leaves office, highly un-likely carries immunity.

The situation is not a one-solution thing, it all kinda depends of the "crime" committed.

Trump will get immunity on the docs case.

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Old 03-08-2024, 10:42 AM   #100
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There is no evidence that there were corners cut on biosecurity at those labs, and they were MILES form where the first cases appeared leading investigators to believe that the lab area was NOT source of the the original contamination. Case 0 for SARS-2 is likely to have been the same as for SARS-1, the open air meat markets.

Those labs are cheaper because #1 the government there subsidizes them to pull over western science (and it works), #2 they pay their scientists a lot less. The US government spent time and dollars helping them build up their infrastructure, technology, and economy under the assumption that it would drive them to move form an aggressive and oppressive communist oligarchy to a more democratic and friendly society. We ENCOURAGED moving technology, research, and production migration to China for that reason. So far, that has really not worked out as planned and recent governments have started to pull back those resources. (Never more than the current administration!) Building and supporting China may have been an error, but for political and economic reasons. There is no evidence it has anything to do with any pandemic. In fact, it is the parts of Chinese society and culture that have NOT changed that appear problematic in a medical sense.
SARS is a basis for most bio-weapons. Having your enemy lungs fill with fluid is a good weapon. Having that weapon be able to spread across the platoon, even better.
The wuhan lab was doing GoF reserach on SARS, and their goal was to see if they could get the new stuff into bats which could then transmit out. Placing viruses into bats can kill them, so it's not easy to do.
The bat story aligns with the latest news found from lab notes, and it's why China blamed bats that were 500mi away. Yes, bats carry sars, but can't carry all the variants.
SARS-2 most likely leaked out of the lab by someone working in the lab.
Most likely unintended consequences to the very questionable activities of the lab.

And don't forget, China USA Xyz, all have their own very secret labs that the public never gets to see or know about. But sometimes hiding nefarius activities in a "public" lab makes for great obfuscation, until something bad happens.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 10:44 AM   #101
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The only thing that comes to my mind right now is: "... and then, they came for me."

The Government (sic ...) is ramping-up efforts to arrest more people who dared to protest on January 6th. Some of those people have now been held in prison for three years without a trial, and The Government (sic ...) might manage to scoop up more than 4,000 people before the statute of limitations kicks in. ("Better hurry.")
Correction: none of those who just protested have been imprisoned. Not one. It is ONLY the ones that actually attacked and entered the capital building when it was closed for the vote counting that have been arrested, and any of those in prison had a trial. And lost because they were guilty: and there was a LOT of evidence!
For some of the crimes there is no statute of limitations, for most it is 3 years. The charges must be brought within that period on crimes covered by those statutes, but once brought they are no longer limited by time. If it takes 12 years for the legal process to play out, then they may go to prison only after final judgement sentencing, and appeals.

The issue in these cases is that many of those criminals may not be identified within the three years. I suspect that NO innocent party will be imprisoned, but a significant number of the guilty will never be charged. I can live with that.
 
Old 03-08-2024, 10:46 AM   #102
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Old 03-08-2024, 10:53 AM   #103
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SARS is a basis for most bio-weapons. Having your enemy lungs fill with fluid is a good weapon. Having that weapon be able to spread across the platoon, even better.
Somewhat true, but SARS is a pretty recent base for bio-weapon research and not well developed that way. A true bio-weapon would have a 90% disable or kill rate, and SARS-2 (bad as it is) is FAR from that deadly. A good bio-weapon is also stable, and SARS viruses are not.
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SARS-2 most likely leaked out of the lab by someone working in the lab.
That has always been an interesting guess, that does not line up with the actual evidence on the ground. It is a "theory" in the popular sense (menaing just an idea), but not backed up by the science.

"Coincidence is not correlation."
 
Old 03-08-2024, 12:38 PM   #104
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Old 03-08-2024, 05:13 PM   #105
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The only thing that comes to my mind right now is: "... and then, they came for me."
I'll say this: Yes, you have been lied to. In fact, the people who lied to you admitted it in court under oath.

Read about it here: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...lection-claims

You choose to believe everything they say, except for the part where they admit to lying? Again, those admissions were made in court under oath, unlike everything else they've said.
 
  


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