(TUTORIAL) How to Make LiveCD/USB from installed Slackware 13/current or Arch system!

brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:00 AM

Maybe just call it nFluxOS, and mention on your website, and a readme, what it's derived from, including the fact that Slackware is a registered trademark.

linus72 · 07-12-2010, 07:03 AM

Thats what I'm gonna do now
though i must also somehow contact arch, debian, and ubuntu...

I think it would be easiest to drop the names, etc
as I dont need to use the names
maybe I can put out the iso as "nFluxOS-SC-i686.iso"
"nFluxOS-DS-i686.iso" debian squeeze
"nFluxOS-ULL-i686.iso" ubuntu lucid lynx
"nFluxOS-A2010.05-i686.iso" arch 2010.05
obviously "SC" meaning Slackware Current,
etc
and then I could say the "nFluxOS-SC-i686.iso" is Slackware-based?

brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:08 AM

Just nFluxOS. I don't know the legal position as far as Debian, etc, is concerned.

onebuck · 07-12-2010, 07:14 AM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by linus72

I can see both sides; my side and Onebuck's
though in truth Onebuck is probably right about the derivative LiveCD
I named "nFluxOS-slackware-Current-i686.iso"
which of course means I am also in violation with ARCH, Debian,and Ubuntu..
http://multidistro.com/downloads/newdownloads.html

right?

So, the problem becomes how do you name a *-based distro without
telling the end user what it is based on?

I have no problem changing the names, etc

However; many Slacker's freely use the name Slackware, etc
with no circle-R, etc
http://www.dawoodfall.net/

http://learnix.net/

http://connie.slackware.com/~mrgoblin/

My end point being that

1) the livecd kits only have the name Slackware to identify what OS it's for.

2) the remaster "nFluxOS-slackware-Current-i686.iso"; that I put out
must in some way denote to the user what they are getting
so, if I changed the name; how would I convey it's Slackware-based
without the mention of it being Slackware-based?

I dont care about changing the names, etc and I certainly
do not mean to violate their respective names or to in anyway
say that what I have made is Slackware, etc

The only intention of nFluxOS, all 4 versions(Arch,Debian,Slackware,Ubuntu),
is to showcase the Fluxbox wm mainly

I wanted also to make available a Arch and Slackware based Livecd
so that the end user could have the most up to date
versions of each respective distro; note that all 4 versions
of nFluxOS are ahead of any others.
The Slackware version is up to date as of 07/04/2010

so, my aims were never to slight the names, or to say my derivative
is "better" or "official"

Any ideas on how I could possibly change names, etc
and still have it clearly spelled out that it is arch/debian/slackware/ubuntu-based?

see here
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Syste...I-P-2177.shtml

so, would they be in violation saying it's Slackware based?
The problem is I cant just call it nFluxOS, because there are 4 different versions
so, I cant say "nFluxOS, a Slackware-based distro", because it's not just Slackware
it's also 3 other distros
thats the only reason the livecd has the name "nFluxOS-slackware-Current-i686.iso"
is to denote what it's based on
"nFluxOS-debian-Squeeze-i686.iso"
"nFluxOS-ubuntu-10.04-i686.iso"
"nFluxOS-ARCH-2010.05-i686.iso"

The only way is to contact each to see if you are in violation and if so could you be authorized to use. As for Slackware:

Quote:

"Any questions about this policy should be directed to:
Patrick Volkerding <volkerdi@slackware.com>".

I'm sure the common usage would be allowed. As per the Holder of Slackware which has stated;

Quote:

3. Except by written permission from Slackware Linux, Inc., the Slackware
trademark may not be used as (or as part of) a product name, company
name, or registered domain name.
4. Any approved use of "Slackware" must be followed by a circle-R, and must
acknowledge our ownership of the mark.

So go to the source!

I looked at each of your Slackware example links and these were common use. Not a product, company or a defined domain name.

Quote:

The only intention of nFluxOS, all 4 versions(Arch,Debian,Slackware,Ubuntu),
is to showcase the Fluxbox wm mainly

nFluxOS_A <-- symbolizes Arch
nFluxOS_D <-- Symbolizes Debian
nFluxOS_S <-- Symbolizes Slackware
nFluxOS_U <-- Symbolizes Ubuntu

No misuse of Copyright or Trademark. Easily differentiates, if a user is curious then will investigate. If you are following the guidelines then the Copyright or Trademark material should be within the content. GNU/GPL & Copyright or Trademark are clearly outlined. No infringement or reinforcement by use of a term to elevate, endorsement by association thus keeping things clear. Just like the term: 'Xerox' is used common whenever someone states: ' I'll Xerox that for you'. When it should be, 'I'll copy that for you'. Common use! But if I presented 'Xerox Copy Shop' then I would be in violation and sure to be required to change it.

brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:19 AM

Quote:

The Magic is in the Magician not the wand!

Gary
Is that a quotation from something, or did you make it up yourself?

linus72 · 07-12-2010, 07:22 AM

OK
I'll contact each and see what they say..
in the meantime I will create 4 new iso's by maybe wednesday..
and restructure stuff..

also, golfer7; I ran both of the livecd kits on my own x86 and x86_64 installs
(base Slackware installs, no X), and they both booted up fine as liveusb

so, they should work, and please tell me the procedure you are doing to make yours?
are you recompiling kernel or just running "build" script using kernel that came with it?
thanks

onebuck · 07-12-2010, 07:31 AM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianL

Gary
Is that a quotation from something, or did you make it up yourself?

I've had the tag for years. It's a derivative. Polished from parts, I really don't remember the original formation completely. But I believe it was something like 'The Magician, The Wand & Magic'. I do remember forming it years ago. Made a Placard with it for my office while still at the University. Always created some interesting discussions! People would always ask for 'Magic' and I would respond 'You see it from me everyday'.

brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:33 AM

I was wondering if you were infringing anyone's copyright.

the trooper · 07-12-2010, 07:36 AM

Perhaps it should have an ® at the end?

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brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:37 AM

No, maybe a © though.

the trooper · 07-12-2010, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianL

No, maybe a © though.

Ahh yes,my mistake.

onebuck · 07-12-2010, 07:53 AM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianL

I was wondering if you were infringing anyone's copyright.

Not that I'm aware of. No plagiarism either but a formed derivative. If you know of someone that predates my use then by all means point me in that direction. But for Copyrights, I believe it's mine until proven otherwise.

onebuck · 07-12-2010, 07:54 AM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by the trooper

Perhaps it should have an ® at the end?

.

Big difference in Trademark and Copyrights.

brianL · 07-12-2010, 07:57 AM

Carry on using it then until you're contacted by some author(s) lawyers.

the trooper · 07-12-2010, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Big difference in Trademark and Copyrights.

Yes,indeed.
Right gentlemen,i shall leave you to your happy slacking!.
Or should that be 'Carry on Slackware'

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