ping Sundialsvcs - I know you appear to be a student of History so I urge you to (re)read George Washington's Farewell Address while paying special attention to his remarks on factions and the danger they present AND the sort of people who are likely to sell such Snake Oil. Then, compare and contrast what you know and think you know of the former President.

FWIW I don't assume you are deranged or deficient despite that we strongly disagree about almost everything. I think "the disturbance" is fairly systemic and exactly what chinks in the working class armor Trump is exploiting in what I see as his FUD sales pitch to get what HE wants, not US.

The judge presiding over former President Trump's trial threatens jail time if there are further gag order violations. I will be very surprised if the judge does that.

Judge warns Trump he risks jail over gag order violations

I think the judge wants very much to avoid having to take that action. I also believe he absolutely will if he must to preserve the integrity of the court and the validity of this trial. Now: will it be house arrest or a jail cell? My crystal ball is not that clear.

I doubt he will be put in jail as it would be a precedent those in power would not want to see. Obviously, Mr. Trump is being treated much more favorably than an average citizen but that generally is the case with the rich and powerful.

I see that the judge spoke directly to Trump about his right to testify without additionally addressing his attorney who is responsible for informing his client on procedures. I would have expected at least a mild chastisement directed at the attorney for this failure.

I also found it interesting that Mr. Trump complains about having to be in court but he has never asked to be excused which he could have been. Of course, then he could not complain about having to be in court.

I personally and fully expect that "the Lawfare™ strategy" is just about to blow up in all of their faces. They originally got their start by extorting corporate "C-team" members with lawsuits. But now, in their zeal to practice "TDS," they have now created a genuine Constitutional crisis. The SCOTUS can no longer ignore the issue, as it did with the entire issue of the 2020 election. If for any reason it turns out that a President can be criminally charged for what he or she did while in office, there will truly be no end to the mischief which will promptly result.

Consider this: there are more than 4,000 counties in this nation who can convene a Grand Jury. On his or her first day in Office, the new President makes a decision that is unpopular. Immediately, 800 Grand Juries are convened and all of them hand down an indictment. Now, on to day four ...

On his last day in Office, the President is arrested and escorted to a jail cell which features a tomb. Because, the tomb will be needed. Two thousand years from now, someone will ask: "Why is this corpse still here?" And someone will answer: "One thousand years to go ..."

You see my point: the Constitution immediately breaks down. Furthermore, every former President who is still alive will now immediately encounter a similar pile-up of criminal charges. All that it now takes is an ambitious district attorney and seven willing people. It won't be hard at all to find them.

You cannot task a single individual with all that Article 2 tasks him or her with, and expect them to do the job, if a Sword of Damocles is hanging over them. Very simply, you will run out of volunteers.

Yes, yes, you said all of that before and were told why it does not pertain. The only prior POTUS that needs to be concerned are the ones that violated the law BEFORE they took office, AFTER they left office, or OUTSIDE of their official duties while in office. We have only ONE example of that living today and we are already dealing with that.

BTW: attempting to push the same invalid claims and theories that have failed multiple times in the past is not a good look for you. You might want to try a new argument.

Yes. You've proposed this scenario a few times. The framers of the US Constitution were indeed visionary, they imagined the possibility of an insane and or criminal president. And here we are.
Former President Trump is battle testing the criminal justice system and the US constitution. The former President has little or no impulse control and is likely to violate his gag order yet again. Will the judge jail him?!
I am likely overly positive and naive. I like to think that the USA will survive this crisis and that justice will prevail. Having said this I have no read on how the next six months will play out.

Repeating the same lie about charges 'while in office' when the acts were a decade before he ran for office (the adultery part anyway) and before the 2016 election (the payoff). The 'issue' with the 2020 election was basically the completely baseless and baldfaced lies repeatedly told by Mr. Trump and his supporters.

Honestly, Mjolnir needs to deal with the fact that this is the kind of person she has attracted to her side. And that she has made a point of being careful to never say anything against this person.

You all have already pre-judged the man, and your motivations are "purely political."

"Orange Man Bad!" As soon as we finally get rid of him, we can all go back to being comfortably numb.

That sort of strategy might work in little countries that are full of bananas, but it has no place here. And, we ought to have sufficient knowledge of the bloodiest pages of world history to already know that. Civilization has been there before. It wasn't pretty.

Team Trump was never able to present any evidence supporting their claims of voting fraud to any court. Thus there was never any lower court decisions on the matter which could be appealed to the Supreme Court. Rudy Giulanni among others ended up looking like a fool and broke.

The only voting fraud in the 2020 election was the fake elector fraud perpetrated by Team Trump. The cases against the people who created the fake elector fraud are still ongoing. Several of the perpetrators have already plea bargained guilty and will testify to convict Trump. Whenever a conviction finally occurs then the Supreme Court will be presented with a case to decide whether a president can be convicted of crimes committed while in office.

https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com...trump-lawyers/

There is voter fraud but in such minuscule numbers as compared to the total number of votes cast that as reported would not have changed the 2020 or any election results. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank has tracked voter fraud since 2005 and has only accumulated around 1,500 proven cases.

The truth of the matter is that no court, anywhere, would hear the cases. Up to and including the Supreme Court, where several US States filed cases in the one-and-only "court of original jurisdiction" as set forth in the US Constitution (Art. III, Sec. 2) ... only to be told that they somehow had "no standing" there. Every single one of the objections, in every Court high to low, were magically dismissed on "procedural" grounds. None of them were ever heard. Evidence was never accepted. Juries were never convened.

Like so many things in this life: "Be careful what you wish for."

And what do you think your takeaway from that should be?

Should it be “every court was in on this massive conspiracy that was hidden from the President of the United States until after the fact?”

Or

“A lot of idiots, desperate at the prospect of losing their power, hastily tried to bring cases without knowing what they were doing?”

That is absolutely NOT true. You have believed a lie.
Over 60 cases based upon Trump allegations were heard in different jurisdictions. In not one case could the ones alleging fraud show any evidence that fraud had occurred. In most cases they had to ADMIT that they had no actual evidence to bring. The cases were dismissed BECAUSE there was no evidence of any crime.
You need to look it up for yourself. The sources you have been depending on have deceived you.